Thanks Netmanias, truly appreciate your efforts in preparing this document.
Any update on Online and Offline charging. (OCS and CGF)???
Thanks mate!!!
Raj2015-11-28 15:24:51
Who assigns the Dedicated bearer ID ? not clear from document. Is it MME or PGW
Chris2015-11-28 17:24:43
@Raj, MME assigns the EPS Bearer ID (EBI) for both default and dedicated bearer.
Saurabh Thukral2014-09-23 16:20:46
refer Figure 4.
An important parameter missing in the call flow for voice call modification procedure i.e setup of dedicated bearer is LBI. Please add this parameter
Netmanias2014-10-10 18:40:32
Hi Saurabh,
Thank you for the comment. We have added EPS bearer related IDs to Figure 3 and 4 (Default Bearer ID in Figure 3, and Dedicated Bearer ID and LBI in Figure 4), and the related STEPs have been modified (STEP 2) in Section 3.1, and STEPs 6) ~ 7) in Section 3.2).
We omitted EPS Bearer IDs and LBI to simplify the figures because the IEs are mentioned often in other LTE TRs. But, as you pointed out, LBI is important parameter when a dedicated bearer is created, so it seems better to add them. Thank you for your careful comment.
Abhishek Jadhav2014-09-27 13:45:33
It is clear realization of technology
Thank you very much
Lavanya Sabhapathi2014-10-09 13:26:30
Thank you so much for sharing wonderful document which made me to understand about default and dedicated bearer. If you can plz share about messages like ASR STR clearly
Harry2014-10-24 04:01:29
Thank you so much for this excellent document.
What is unclear to me is, in case of PCC rule with closed gating status, whether or not the gating-status is delivered to SGW and/or UE as part of TFT template. I'd like to understand where the blocked uplink packets are discarded. (PGW or SGW or UE?)
Thanks again.
Vicent Ferrer Guasch2014-10-29 00:57:47
Hi,
First of all, congratulations for all these amazing LTE technical documents. They are really clear and helpful in order to understand the complexities of LTE, in addition to a nice quick reference. Thanks a lot for sharing.
I have a question about figure 6. The Bearer ID for both Default bearers is 5, is that correct or is it a typo? Is it possible to reuse the Bearer ID for different APNs?
According to TS 23.401 clause 5.2.1, "An EPS bearer identity uniquely identifies an EPS bearer for one UE accessing via E-UTRAN"
Is there any limitation on the number of Default Bearers that can be stablished, apart from the 11 Bearer IDs available?
Netmanias2014-11-01 10:19:09
Hi Vicent,
It’s typo error. As you have mentioned, different bearer id is allocated to each bearer for an UE. We have corrected the typo in Figures 6 and 7 and updated this post and pdf file. Thank you for letting us know that.
We are not sure about the maximum number of default bearers for an UE, but it may depends on the number of PDNs the UE can be connected to. Some eNBs/femto APs have been implemented to support only a limited number of PDNs.
Antti Mikola2014-11-05 02:19:35
Hello,
Thank you for this informative document.
I have a question concerning the dedicated bearer creation. Can two bearers with the same QCI values but different ARP values exist at the same time? For example, concider the following scenario. A new PCC rule is authorized with a certain QCI and ARP values. If a bearer with the same QCI but with a different ARP value already exist, can the PCC rule be mapped into this bearer or is a new bearer with same QCI but different ARP value created?
radhi2015-03-24 19:57:34
No, Bearer is uniquely identified by the combination of QCI and ARP. So even if ARP is different, dedicated bearer creation will be triggered by PCEF.
pri2014-12-18 23:31:51
How does the PCRF store the PCC Rules (based on what index). I mean lets say same QOS is applied
for two Applications (mapped to SDF1 and SDF2, both mapped to dedicated bearer id 1.
So lets say the App related to SDF#1 is stopped. Then PCRF needs to delete PCC Rule related to SDF#1.
But the rule is still valid for SDF#2. Any pointers on how this is implemented in PCRF.
It will be great if you can give some practical example (with just 1 or two rules in PCRF) .
Also what will be sent in the Diameter messages esp in Gx interface... Also may be bit about Rx interface ?
vikas singhal2015-03-30 18:14:52
Hello,
Thanks for such detailed documentions, I guess there is a typo in Figure 6. For PF1 of Deafult bearer (DL), SDF id is written as SDF2 which should be changed to SDF1.
ashish127842015-08-08 19:15:13
I have some doubts related to section 3.1.
1. Suppose UE have configured multiple apns (internet.apn.com, ims.com) for internet and ims services. UE is switched on, shall it create eps session with both the apns or any of default apn (internet) and eps session with ims once UE attempt any voip call?
2. Suppose there is only single apn (ims.com) is configured in UE, Is pdn connectivity request need to send from UE to MME or attach shall be sufficent?
3. As per my understanding, there is one eps session for each apn. Shall the eps sessions share the same GTP tunnel or mutiple gtp tunnel shall be created per eps session?
버너2015-09-01 06:45:59
regarding to 1)
After UE is switched on, two default eps bearers are created and kept alive.
- Default eps session for internet APN which can be removed
if you enable WiFi instead of LTE data service at the UE
- Default eps session for IMS APN which is used
for initial / periodic registration to IMS (SIP REGISTER to CSCF)
and also for receiving call (waiting of SIP messages from IMS, e.g. SIP INVITE)
- Dedicated eps bearers for IMS APN to carry RTP will only be created and maintained
while VoLTE calling
regarding 2)
Sorry, I don't understand your question, "pdn connectivity request" is used for initial attachment.
If you are considering about creation of dedicated bearers for IMS APN, dedicated bearers are created only by IMS
Thanks a lot Netmanias, it is truely an excellent informative site.
I have one quiery, As we understood, we need a default bearer and dedicated bearer to IMS for the voice call, how many bearer we need for a normal internet usage ? As internet will be a separate PDN/APN.
Sanjay2016-09-27 21:16:42
I got the answer for my query...I didnt read all the pages while asked this query..
sowjanya2016-11-07 19:20:53
May I know the difference between EPS bearer QOS and subscriber's allowed QOS?
asfli asdf2017-04-04 19:02:54
Hi
Thanks for your useful posts.
I had a question about "Default Bearer Establishment" (Section 3.1, Figure 3). In step 10 and 11 the MME and UE are informed about QoS parameters (such as QCI), however, the S-GW and eNodeB are not informed by anyone. As I know S-GW and eNodeB are envolved in policy enforcement process, so how they are informed about policy?
MANJULA R2019-03-25 11:05:31
Hi,
very usefu posts,
I have a question regarding dedicated bearer , if there are more than one QCI 1 profile with different ARP values how PCRF picks the correct profile for a particular subscriber.
example if i have to prioritise some subscribers over others with same IMSI.
one way i undersatnd is to differentiate based on IMSI, but in case if its same IMSI and two profiles with different ARP values for QCI1.
manjunath UH2019-12-20 17:40:30
Hi,
1) If UE have Multiple APN's, then whcih one select by PGW..
2) Diffrence b/w UE- AMBR & APN- AMBR
3) In whcih message PGW alocates IP to UE...
Tsvetan Filev2020-04-29 00:58:38
Hi. Great article.
I have one quick question: How does the PGW (PCEF) bind the PCC rule to a given UE/bearer ?
Does it use UE IP from the SDF (DL/UL) and searches in the list of active bearers ?
prashant mundepi2020-05-14 16:49:01
Hi, thanks for the great explanation !
is it possible to establish both the default and dedicated bearers during the initial attach? Its a requirement from an operator.
chandan dubey2020-09-17 20:09:42
Hi Prashant,
Dedicated bearer is created only when condition is default must establish first ....
SCHIPPERS2022-01-06 02:49:38
Hello, very usefull document,
I have a question and cannot understand when you mention "(UE IP, *, RTP, *, UDP)/(*, UE IP, RTP, *, UDP)":
What means the "*"? is this the Port number ?
And for the DL part shouldn't it be "(*, RTP, UE IP, *, UDP)" instead of "(*, UE IP, RTP, *, UDP)" ?
thank you very much !!
Umesh Patel2022-02-28 18:05:11
Hello Netmanias,
Can you share details information about OCS (Onlice charging)
Thank you for visiting Netmanias! Please leave your comment if you have a question or suggestion.
Thanks Netmanias, truly appreciate your efforts in preparing this document.
Any update on Online and Offline charging. (OCS and CGF)???
Thanks mate!!!
Who assigns the Dedicated bearer ID ? not clear from document. Is it MME or PGW
@Raj, MME assigns the EPS Bearer ID (EBI) for both default and dedicated bearer.
refer Figure 4.
An important parameter missing in the call flow for voice call modification procedure i.e setup of dedicated bearer is LBI. Please add this parameter
Hi Saurabh,
Thank you for the comment. We have added EPS bearer related IDs to Figure 3 and 4 (Default Bearer ID in Figure 3, and Dedicated Bearer ID and LBI in Figure 4), and the related STEPs have been modified (STEP 2) in Section 3.1, and STEPs 6) ~ 7) in Section 3.2).
We omitted EPS Bearer IDs and LBI to simplify the figures because the IEs are mentioned often in other LTE TRs. But, as you pointed out, LBI is important parameter when a dedicated bearer is created, so it seems better to add them. Thank you for your careful comment.
It is clear realization of technology
Thank you very much
Thank you so much for sharing wonderful document which made me to understand about default and dedicated bearer. If you can plz share about messages like ASR STR clearly
Thank you so much for this excellent document.
What is unclear to me is, in case of PCC rule with closed gating status, whether or not the gating-status is delivered to SGW and/or UE as part of TFT template. I'd like to understand where the blocked uplink packets are discarded. (PGW or SGW or UE?)
Thanks again.
Hi,
First of all, congratulations for all these amazing LTE technical documents. They are really clear and helpful in order to understand the complexities of LTE, in addition to a nice quick reference. Thanks a lot for sharing.
I have a question about figure 6. The Bearer ID for both Default bearers is 5, is that correct or is it a typo? Is it possible to reuse the Bearer ID for different APNs?
According to TS 23.401 clause 5.2.1, "An EPS bearer identity uniquely identifies an EPS bearer for one UE accessing via E-UTRAN"
Is there any limitation on the number of Default Bearers that can be stablished, apart from the 11 Bearer IDs available?
Hi Vicent,
It’s typo error. As you have mentioned, different bearer id is allocated to each bearer for an UE. We have corrected the typo in Figures 6 and 7 and updated this post and pdf file. Thank you for letting us know that.
We are not sure about the maximum number of default bearers for an UE, but it may depends on the number of PDNs the UE can be connected to. Some eNBs/femto APs have been implemented to support only a limited number of PDNs.
Hello,
Thank you for this informative document.
I have a question concerning the dedicated bearer creation. Can two bearers with the same QCI values but different ARP values exist at the same time? For example, concider the following scenario. A new PCC rule is authorized with a certain QCI and ARP values. If a bearer with the same QCI but with a different ARP value already exist, can the PCC rule be mapped into this bearer or is a new bearer with same QCI but different ARP value created?
No, Bearer is uniquely identified by the combination of QCI and ARP. So even if ARP is different, dedicated bearer creation will be triggered by PCEF.
How does the PCRF store the PCC Rules (based on what index). I mean lets say same QOS is applied
for two Applications (mapped to SDF1 and SDF2, both mapped to dedicated bearer id 1.
So lets say the App related to SDF#1 is stopped. Then PCRF needs to delete PCC Rule related to SDF#1.
But the rule is still valid for SDF#2. Any pointers on how this is implemented in PCRF.
It will be great if you can give some practical example (with just 1 or two rules in PCRF) .
Also what will be sent in the Diameter messages esp in Gx interface... Also may be bit about Rx interface ?
Hello,
Thanks for such detailed documentions, I guess there is a typo in Figure 6. For PF1 of Deafult bearer (DL), SDF id is written as SDF2 which should be changed to SDF1.
I have some doubts related to section 3.1.
1. Suppose UE have configured multiple apns (internet.apn.com, ims.com) for internet and ims services. UE is switched on, shall it create eps session with both the apns or any of default apn (internet) and eps session with ims once UE attempt any voip call?
2. Suppose there is only single apn (ims.com) is configured in UE, Is pdn connectivity request need to send from UE to MME or attach shall be sufficent?
3. As per my understanding, there is one eps session for each apn. Shall the eps sessions share the same GTP tunnel or mutiple gtp tunnel shall be created per eps session?
regarding to 1)
After UE is switched on, two default eps bearers are created and kept alive.
- Default eps session for internet APN which can be removed
if you enable WiFi instead of LTE data service at the UE
- Default eps session for IMS APN which is used
for initial / periodic registration to IMS (SIP REGISTER to CSCF)
and also for receiving call (waiting of SIP messages from IMS, e.g. SIP INVITE)
- Dedicated eps bearers for IMS APN to carry RTP will only be created and maintained
while VoLTE calling
regarding 2)
Sorry, I don't understand your question, "pdn connectivity request" is used for initial attachment.
If you are considering about creation of dedicated bearers for IMS APN, dedicated bearers are created only by IMS
- Initiated by CSCF -(Rx)-> PCRF -(Gx)-> PGW -(S5)-> SGW -(S11)-> MME -(S1)-> eNB/UE
regarding 3)
- Yes if "multiple PDN" is not used
(As I know "mutiple PDN" is defined but not serviced by any operators)
- A GTP tunnel can not be shared by several eps sessions
- One EPS bearer is made up of one GTP tunnel and several SDF templates
- Please see following articles
- https://www.netmanias.com/en/post/techdocs/5907/identification-identifier-lte/lte-identification-iii-eps-session-bearer-identifiers
- https://www.netmanias.com/en/?m=view&id=blog&no=5932
Thanks a lot Netmanias, it is truely an excellent informative site.
I have one quiery, As we understood, we need a default bearer and dedicated bearer to IMS for the voice call, how many bearer we need for a normal internet usage ? As internet will be a separate PDN/APN.
I got the answer for my query...I didnt read all the pages while asked this query..
May I know the difference between EPS bearer QOS and subscriber's allowed QOS?
Hi
Thanks for your useful posts.
I had a question about "Default Bearer Establishment" (Section 3.1, Figure 3). In step 10 and 11 the MME and UE are informed about QoS parameters (such as QCI), however, the S-GW and eNodeB are not informed by anyone. As I know S-GW and eNodeB are envolved in policy enforcement process, so how they are informed about policy?
Hi,
very usefu posts,
I have a question regarding dedicated bearer , if there are more than one QCI 1 profile with different ARP values how PCRF picks the correct profile for a particular subscriber.
example if i have to prioritise some subscribers over others with same IMSI.
one way i undersatnd is to differentiate based on IMSI, but in case if its same IMSI and two profiles with different ARP values for QCI1.
Hi,
1) If UE have Multiple APN's, then whcih one select by PGW..
2) Diffrence b/w UE- AMBR & APN- AMBR
3) In whcih message PGW alocates IP to UE...
Hi. Great article.
I have one quick question: How does the PGW (PCEF) bind the PCC rule to a given UE/bearer ?
Does it use UE IP from the SDF (DL/UL) and searches in the list of active bearers ?
Hi, thanks for the great explanation !
is it possible to establish both the default and dedicated bearers during the initial attach? Its a requirement from an operator.
Hi Prashant,
Dedicated bearer is created only when condition is default must establish first ....
Hello, very usefull document,
I have a question and cannot understand when you mention "(UE IP, *, RTP, *, UDP)/(*, UE IP, RTP, *, UDP)":
What means the "*"? is this the Port number ?
And for the DL part shouldn't it be "(*, RTP, UE IP, *, UDP)" instead of "(*, UE IP, RTP, *, UDP)" ?
thank you very much !!
Hello Netmanias,
Can you share details information about OCS (Onlice charging)